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Canned Apple Pie Filling

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9:26 am
November 3, 2009


Gert Hubbard

Big Chicken

posts 15

I canned some apple pie filling about 3 months ago….I opened a jar about a week ago and there was mold on top….I have since opened several jars and they have either come unsealed or has mold on top…Is it possible the apples wasnt completly covered that is the reason? I've never had any problems with canning BUT this has me stumped………

ThanksWave

12:42 pm
November 3, 2009


Pete

WV

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posts 2745

Must join 52 in the "I'm no expert" category, but will offer an opinion anyway, cause that's what we do best around here!   :snoopy:

It is always possible that your seals were defective, a bit too old, or for some other reason did not make a good seal.  We all have that happen occasionally due to some imperfection we can't see, but in the case of the mass failure of an entire (or most of a) batch of something, there is obviously something more than a fluke going on.

I once forgot to get the seals into hot water soaking until everything else was ready to go, so the first couple of jars had seals which had not been warmed very long.  Sure enough, those were the jars which didn't seal very well and ended up in the refrigerator to be eaten quickly.  Other times when I didn't get the seals into water for as long as I'd have like for them to warm everything worked just fine.  Who knows whether it was the seals themselves (being brand new ones in those cases), the temperature of the kitchen, or the phase of the moon!

Another thing I've noticed is how carefully I must wipe the jars prior to putting on the seals depending on what is going into the jars.  Things that I use clearjel in, for instance, seem to be really sticky on the jar rim.  And when canning anything with a high fat content, I must use a dry cloth to get all remnants of the food product cleaned from the rim as well as a damp cloth.

It's an interesting learning curve for sure!  Some things seems to remain a mystery for which there is no explanation.  There are some very expert canners among us here who will be able to give you much better advice than this explanation, but these are a couple of things to get you thinking about the possibilities.

Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!

1:03 pm
November 3, 2009


wvhomecanner

North Central WV

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posts 692

Gert Hubbard said:

I canned some apple pie filling about 3 months ago….I opened a jar about a week ago and there was mold on top….I have since opened several jars and they have either come unsealed or has mold on top…Is it possible the apples wasnt completly covered that is the reason? I've never had any problems with canning BUT this has me stumped………

ThanksWave


Pete has several excellent points. Can you give us a rundown of the recipe and how you processed and for how long, etc.? That would help (maybe) in figuring this out.

Dede

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,nnothing is going to get better. nIt's not."n ~ The Lorax by Dr. Suess ~

1:40 pm
November 3, 2009


WV_Hills

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I hope we can figure out the problem for you, or at least point you in the right direction.  I have had a couple of jars that apparently sealed, but then lifted after some time.  That's one of the best reasons to store the jars with the bands off.  If you leave the bands on the bands hold the lid down, but not tightly enough to really seal the jar.

5:02 pm
November 3, 2009


Gert Hubbard

Big Chicken

posts 15

Hey guys hope I posted this in the right spot?? Please tell me if I need to do things different…..

Recipe is like pretty much most of those I have seen sugar, cinnamon, salt, nutmeg,water, clearjel and lemon juice….I sterlize my jars good and heat my flats after washing….( My clearjel I get from an Amish bulk store not to far from here.)


I perpare apples for 7 qts. Mix all dry ingredients together. Add water and cook until mixture comes to a full boiling roll add lemon juice. Pour over apples stick knife kind in jar to try to get  syrup all the way down the apples  wipe top of jar off good seal….I put them in open bath in boiling water for 20 mins. I always leave my bands on my jars…. Maybe I left air bubbles didnt cover them all the way with the syrup?????????????

Thanks Guys for trying to help…This recipe is something new I tried this year as I try to can something new each year……


Glad I found a place where a lot of people love to can to……


Blessings,

Wave

This one just has me stumped….

5:30 pm
November 3, 2009


Pete

WV

Moderator

posts 2745

How much headspace did you leave?  And were the jars covered with water??  Sometimes if the bands are on too tight, air cannot escape the jar, but you probably already know that!

Also, if you tighten the bands after taking the jars out of the water bath, that also interfers with the sealing process.  Leaving the bands on after the 24-hour cool down phase can keep the seals on tight enough to appear to be sealed when they are not, assuming the seal wasn't quite right in the first place.

We are pretty much all being led, some of us kicking and screaming, into the "Take the bands off!" prior to storage camp!


Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!

6:39 pm
November 3, 2009


Gert Hubbard

Big Chicken

posts 15

My recipe called for 1/4 inch head space. And I do tighten up my rings when I bring my jars out of the water most of the time… But if that was the problem wouldn't I had problems in the past? I'm just brainstorming here please don't think I'm being ungrateful….. I have some apple pie filling in the dairy I haven't checked on yet…Don't know if I have lost anymore in there or not….

One thing I thought was interesting you ask was did I cover the jars with water, in the open bath right? And as I think back I don't think the water was all the way up over the jars in the open bath…..Could that have done it you think?

Blessings

Wave

7:18 pm
November 3, 2009


Pete

WV

Moderator

posts 2745

From everything I've read, if the water doesn't completely cover the jars by at least an inch or more (I always go for at least 2-3 inches, just to be safe in case too much water evaporates) of the boiling water there is no way that the contents of the jars, especially ones which have contents which are not already hot to begin with, can reach a high enough temp to kill all the bacteria.

Not trying to insult you here, because you sound like you have experience as a canner, but it pays for all of us to review the elementary stuff from time to time.  Suzanne has a great tutorial on the basics.  http://suzannemcminn.com/blog/…..th-method/ and another on using a pressure canner http://suzannemcminn.com/blog/…..re-method/

Please take no offense at my suggesting reading through Suzanne's instructions, especially since I am a beginner myself.  I know that I know all that basic stuff, but look over it again and again just to make sure I don't forget the important things.  Also, when you get as old as I am, I realize that I forget an awful lot of simple stuff, even things I've done for years!

Good luck with your other jars.  I sure hope they are all right because it is so heart breaking to go to all that work then have a seal failure.  But, this is a great place to come for ideas and encouragement.  These are the gals that got me back into canning again after not having considered doing it for decades.  Then I discovered that ALL the rules had changed!  But, much more is known now about food safety than when I was a little girl, so it really pays to check out the new ways of doing things.

Hang in there!

Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!

10:39 pm
November 3, 2009


Gert Hubbard

Big Chicken

posts 15

Thank you for your comments. I have canned for over 30 years and each year is a new learning experience.  This year just a little bit more Hissy Fitwith a new recipe that didnt do as well as I thought it would. But I dont give up easy and I will can this again this summer or maybe before just to show myself I can make this work..

Again Thanks

12:13 am
November 4, 2009


Pete

WV

Moderator

posts 2745

So glad you took my comments in the spirit they were intended.   Heart

Our Cindy posted a recipe which sounds basically like what you were canning.  It's over in the pie recipes.  She said she has done this particular recipe at least two years now and has had great success with it.  As I recall, she used 3/4 inch head space.  Maybe that could be part of the problem?  I have had a couple of times where the contents have bubbled out of a jar or two, which naturally made a proper seal impossible.

Meanwhile, it's good to have another canner in the group.  I'm trying to catch up with all you experienced canners, and have learned a bunch from everyone here.  We've had a lot of fun with a few of the recipes, like Suzanne's Caramel Apple Jam and Dede's infamous Hot Pepper Butter.  Looking forward to trying some of yours, too.

Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus!

9:09 am
November 4, 2009


monica

Mighty Chicken

posts 432

Gert–I had a similar problem with chicken soup that I tried to can–disaster.  There are so many things that it could have been the culprit–bad batch of rings, air bubbles that got trapped, etc.  I am not going to let one bad batch deter me from trying again.  A few jar out of years of canning is not bad odds!  I should have used a pressure canner, but am too chicken to use one (neighbor hurt pretty bad when I was little when the top blew off). 


I have noticed when I try using a new recipe, that I tend to try to throw it together a bit too much, when I should be following the directions to a T.

9:17 am
November 4, 2009


WV_Hills

Guest

monica said:

Gert–I had a similar problem with chicken soup that I tried to can–disaster.  There are so many things that it could have been the culprit–bad batch of rings, air bubbles that got trapped, etc.  I am not going to let one bad batch deter me from trying again.  A few jar out of years of canning is not bad odds!  I should have used a pressure canner, but am too chicken to use one (neighbor hurt pretty bad when I was little when the top blew off). 


I have noticed when I try using a new recipe, that I tend to try to throw it together a bit too much, when I should be following the directions to a T.


I suspect your chicken soup was doomed from the start.  You just can't process things other than fruits and pickles in a waterbath canner. You run the risk of seriously hurting anyone you feed it to!  I can't stress that enough!  No meat and/or vegetables in a water bath canner!  At best your loved ones could end up in the emergency room.  It could be worse.

You need high acid or high sugar to make the WBC safe.  Meats and vegetables simply must be canned in a pressure canner.  Not only will the food almost certainly spoil, even if it doesn't pop the lid, or smell funny when you open the jar, it could still have bacteria that weren't killed during the processing.  Pressure canning raises the temperature of the food much higher than you get with only boiling water.

Pressure canners aren't scary.  Use them with care, watch the pressure, and you can have safely canned foods.

10:00 am
November 4, 2009


Gert Hubbard

Big Chicken

posts 15

Pete said:

So glad you took my comments in the spirit they were intended.   Heart

Our Cindy posted a recipe which sounds basically like what you were canning.  It's over in the pie recipes.  She said she has done this particular recipe at least two years now and has had great success with it.  As I recall, she used 3/4 inch head space.  Maybe that could be part of the problem?  I have had a couple of times where the contents have bubbled out of a jar or two, which naturally made a proper seal impossible.

Meanwhile, it's good to have another canner in the group.  I'm trying to catch up with all you experienced canners, and have learned a bunch from everyone here.  We've had a lot of fun with a few of the recipes, like Suzanne's Caramel Apple Jam and Dede's infamous Hot Pepper Butter.  Looking forward to trying some of yours, too.


Oh I took it in good faithYesThank you for your reply's….This will not get me down I will try again until I get it right.Wave

10:03 am
November 4, 2009


Gert Hubbard

Big Chicken

posts 15

monica said:

Gert–I had a similar problem with chicken soup that I tried to can–disaster.  There are so many things that it could have been the culprit–bad batch of rings, air bubbles that got trapped, etc.  I am not going to let one bad batch deter me from trying again.  A few jar out of years of canning is not bad odds!  I should have used a pressure canner, but am too chicken to use one (neighbor hurt pretty bad when I was little when the top blew off). 


I have noticed when I try using a new recipe, that I tend to try to throw it together a bit too much, when I should be following the directions to a T.


My thoughts to. I have canned over 500 can's this year 8 or 10 popping their seal will not dishearten me…Happy FlowerI use two pressure canners at a time a lot. I have used them for years but I still RESPECT them every year when I bring them out to use.



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