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8:45 pm February 7, 2010
| quietstorm
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I made my first batch of orange marmalade today following a recipe from Ina Garten / Barefoot Contessa.
I made a half batch of her Marmalade recipe from Anna Pump. It had 1 lemon 2 Oranges (I used Cara Cara) and 4 cups of sugar with 4 cups of water. At the end of the recipe (after reducing for 2 hrs and then bringing the temp to 220) it says to "pour the marmalade into clean hot mason jars, wipe rims with a clean damp paper towel & seal with lids. Store in the pantry for up to a year. "
there is no mention of a hot water bath…
is there enough acid/sugar to keep this safe? I didnt hear the lids "click" but when you press in the center they dont "pop" so i assume they sealed correctly
this is my first canning project i've attempted – i just want to make sure i've got it right!
If nothing else, they look beautiful and smell wonderful! I can always keep them in the fridge.
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9:14 pm February 7, 2010
| CindyP
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I'm positive they would need to be hot water bathed!! I went to foodnetwork and read the recipe, and it definitely doesn't say anything about hot water bathing. I would store in fridge. It's fruit, which needs to be HWB, so for safety's sake, that's what I would do! Suzanne's marmalade recipe that she did came from the BBB, which required it to be HWB.
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9:40 pm February 7, 2010
| Pete
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Cindy's advice is excellent. Completely concur, and expect that Dede will as well. My only question is how long it will store safely in the refrigerator, but it will probably not last long enough for that to be an issue. 
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10:55 pm February 7, 2010
| wvhomecanner
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Congratulations on your first adventure! I have been disappointed before in recipes on Food Network and similar sites that don't give proper instruction about preserving such goodies :(
Cindy and Pete are right – it's definitely best to water bath jams and jellies and marmalades and such and if you process them that way for 10 minutes you don't even have to pre-sterlize the jars. A good rule to keep in mind so when a recipe is incomplete, you'll just know what to do. These will keep great in the frig though and as Pete said, I doubt they'll last long because it sounds delicious!
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7:20 am February 8, 2010
| Leahld22
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WTG Jen! (i'm lurking and learning!)
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9:23 am February 8, 2010
| ChrisUK
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Ladies.
I do not want to disagree with you,But……..My Grandmother,Mother and wife made jams and marmalade without HWB .
Clean Jars were placed in the oven to warm,when the jam/marmalade was cool enough to be bottled,it was placed in the jars,a small circle of greaseproof paper placed on top and then sealed with a waxed paper cover that was tightly secured. These kept in a cool pantry lasted through the winter with out any problems.
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10:44 am February 8, 2010
| JeannieB
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A lot of the older generations put up jelly and pickles without HWB. But they sterlized the jars, lids and rings. I make lots of jelly but I always HTB, eventhough I use jars just out of the dishwater and boil the lids and rings, just can't trust those little germs!!
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10:52 am February 8, 2010
| quietstorm
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OH MY!!!!! had some on toast this morning – absolutely WONDERFUL!!! a little on the sweet side and a little "hard" (i think i boiled it too long if im reading the troubleshooting correctly) has a very faint caramel note(again probably from long boil – but it wasnt hitting the 220 mark) and the random lemon pieces are a nice surprise! anyone ever tried a lemon marmalade?
i remember canning with my mom & grandmother when i was a kid. I remember doing the HWB with pickles, but i think the blackberry jam we sealed with about a 1/2 of parrafin. I dont rememer what we did with the cranberry sauce.
I actually ended up finding an older BBB at a discount store yesterday! I think I'm in trouble….
My husband is already planning Xmas gifts for the neighbor's for next yr…. loaf of homemade bread & pints of jellies!!!

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10:54 am February 8, 2010
| Pete
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We all had mothers, grandmothers, great grandmothers, neighbors, and what have you who did the same thing, Chris. There are more than a couple of issues going on here, all of which are worthy of being addressed.
First, sanitation when they were doing things that way were not what they are these days. Not saying that our relatives were less clean than we are today. Quite the opposite! Our predecessors simply did not have the toxins and mutated toxins that we have today and did not have to protect themselves from as many germs as we do now.
Second, our relatives did not have the science and all the tools science has given us to work with. They worked from trial and error, pretty much exclusively. We don't have to do that. We have studies of conditions necessary to ensure long term safe storage. A big part of that is knowing exactly how much a product must be heated to kill various bacteria within it that could otherwise kill us. Along with this we now know exactly how to seal the product in the jar to keep additional toxins from invading the jar. All thanks to science providing that information to us.
Each of us will make our own decisions based on whatever criteria we select. If doing things just like grandmum did it works for you, then keep right on doing it. Personally, I'd much rather take advantage of what science has provided us whether we are talking using the microwave or being able to can things that come from all over the world rather than be limited to what comes from the back yard. Don't know about your relatives but mine only canned what came from within a block or so of their own home, used a corn cob/coal fired cook stove, and carried water in from the well out back. That's what I think of when someone says, "Mom always did it thus and so!"
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4:18 pm February 8, 2010
| JeannieB
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I remember my grandma cooking on the wood stove that was sitting next to the new fangled electric one. Life was more simple then, and as Pete said, not as many toxins and bad thingys around. Food safety is one of the most important things that we can control in our lives.
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9:42 pm February 9, 2010
| msbolt24
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I've got a good one for you "guys": My wonderful mother-in-law still uses an old cookstove! It's not that she doesn't have modern conviences…she has a new electric stove, but for her, building the fire and cooking is IT! And yes, she cans…on the cookstove! Summer and into fall can be hot but the stuff she churns out is amazing! Let's just say that we all stay snug and fat in Winter!
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