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10:38 am November 6, 2009
| beeyourself
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Miss Dana said:
I have a recipe for a 14 pound roast turkey that comes out as moist as ham. Everyone who tastes it says it's the best turkey they've ever had.
No soaking in brine, no deep frying, no blessings by a monk…just an unusual trick in the oven.
The only unusual equipment you'll need is a wadded up ball of tinfoil about the size of a baseball. 
Let a stick of butter come to room temp…leave it out overnight. In the morning, mash that butter up with salt and pepper and rub all over the turkey. Place in a big pan and roast uncovered at 425 for 30 minutes.
Now here's the tricky part. Turn the oven down to 325 and turn the turkey on its side. That's right. On its side. Prop it up with the tinfoil ball. You'll most likely need an oven rack removed to make room. Roast for one hour, basting at each thirty minute interval.
After one hour, baste and turn to the other side. Prop with tinfoil ball. Roast for one hour basting each thirty minutes.
After the hour, check for doneness. Your turkey will be perfectly brown all over and the juices will have run down into the breast, keeping all the white meat moist and tender. It has cooked for 2 1/2 hours and if it isn't done, finish upright for a few minutes…but mine has always been done. (Remember to let it sit for 15 minutes before you carve it to let the juices resettle into the meat) This is for a 12-14 pound turkey.
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11:16 am November 6, 2009
| Maud
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Do you have any tips for turning the turkey onto it's side without dropping it, having it fall apart, or slopping boiling turkey juice onto yourself? Can you do this alone or does it require several helpers and a crane?
And when it's done, does it still taste like turkey? I'm not a huge turkey fan, I'm afraid.
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11:33 am November 6, 2009
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I have a big turkey fork that I stick inside the bird. It looks like a minature hay fork actually. (from Pampered Chef ) and I have my husband help me.
When it's done, it tastes delicious, but I like turkey.
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11:39 am November 6, 2009
| Maud
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Hmmmmm, I have neither a big turkey fork nor a husband, but I'm sure I can improvise. The fork, I mean, not the husband!
Fortunately, turkey is a once a year deal for me.
:-)
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12:24 pm November 6, 2009
| Pete
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It is fascinating to read all the different ways that folks cook a bird! We've had it served most of these different ways, but when we do one at home (which we do several times each year because we do like turkey, on the day and all the potential days after things that can be done with it) we just stick it on a rack and put it into the oven to roast until the internal temp is whatever its supposed to be! We usually do put a stalk or two of celery inside, maybe a small onion, and go pluck a few sprigs of fresh thyme from the garden. No salt, no pepper, no butter, sometimes an olive oil rub down, no foil – just put it into the oven, cook it fairly low and slow until it's done. We also buy the cheapest one available, usually on sale.
Also, a word of caution to those doing their first turkey – do NOT trust the pop up thingy they now put into most turkeys. It's a nice novelty, but you just HAVE to use a thermometer to see if it really is done. Although, when the leg is quite loosey goosey, it's pretty close to how we like a bird cooked! That method doesn't work very well if you tie the legs up, which we don't.
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1:42 pm November 6, 2009
| Miss Dana
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As far as turning the turkey…there are different ways. One time, I used perfectly clean hotpads. That actually works well. It's not necessarily easy and you do have to be careful. The wadded up tinfoil ball was my idea and I've found it does a great job of keeping the bird from rolling back over.
Once it's done, yes it tastes like turkey but just not all dried out. The white meat is juicy and tender and so surprisely tasty. 
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1:46 pm November 6, 2009
| Shells
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Hm, I rarely cook a turkey, like Maud not a huge turkey fan, but every once in a while the circumstances call for a turkey and I am going to try one of these ways.
What I have done in the past is loosen up the skin and rub butter/thyme mixture all over between the skin and flesh ….
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2:31 pm November 6, 2009
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Maud P said:
Hmmmmm, I have neither a big turkey fork nor a husband, but I'm sure I can improvise.
Can I help?
Sheik Ali Hasim Toph
PS. I have lots of camels
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3:16 pm November 6, 2009
| Maud
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Be it known, Sheik Ali Hasim Toph, that you are veering off topic.
You may take your many camels to the Living the Country Dream forum where I shall join you.
Inshallah
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4:34 pm November 6, 2009
| beeyourself
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I turn my turkeys with paper towels and rubber gloves. I've had to grab fast…and the gloves give me a grip…not much heat protection, but when z bird is about to go floor bound, I'm usually screaming and beyond pain at that point anyway….what's a little heat?
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5:11 pm November 6, 2009
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I have heat resistant, rubber gloves that came with my rotisserie……..I use them for everything, taking turkey out, ham out of pan, and I use them instead of a jar lifter when canning.
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12:05 am November 7, 2009
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I've read about all that turning and flipping and breast-side down proceedure, but I guess I'm just lazy. I shove the turkey in at 325 degrees for however long it needs (depending on its weight) and forget about it until its done. I don't bother with brine or anything, but I spice the cavity real well and put in a fresh herb bundle of mainly rosemary and fresh bay leaves. I don't use a "pre-basted" turkey ( , in my opinion) or anything like that, and they always turn out nice a juicey for me. The only consession I make by way of special turkey prepping is to make sure the bird is at room temperature before I put it in the oven by leaving it on the counter for about an hour before it goes in.
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4:24 am November 7, 2009
| ChrisUK
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Interesting the various methods you ladies use,but I do not see any mention of stuffing!! We always stuff the neck end,after removing the wishbone.Lots of different stuffings used,but I personally like chestnuts and cranberry mixed with pork sausage meat. And place a lemon in the cavity.
Another old favourite is to bone the turkey body,not the legs, then stuff with a boned duck, which in turn is stuffed with a boned pheasant.Some contnue past that with smaller game birds. but I prefer to pad out any spaces with stuffing ,then reform,tie and roast. Its very easy to carve and one gets a bit of every thing in each slice.I hasten to add these days we get the local butcher to perform the necessary boning. Its also a large family thing,hardly practical for one or two people,unless you like a lot of meat.
I forgot to mention.Butter the breast,and cover with strips of fatty bacon
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7:48 am November 7, 2009
| wvhomecanner
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Oh yes Chris, stuffing (aka as dressing) is important! I bake mine separately from the bird though and I do make my own. I have a coworker whose wife makes a Greek dressing with raisins and walnuts that is wonderful and I need to get the recipe
The bird you speak of is known here as a turducken. A turkey stuffed with a duck which is stuffed with a chicken. Here's a Paula Deen version (from the Food Network)
http://www.foodnetwork.com/rec…..index.html
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8:20 am November 7, 2009
| ChrisUK
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Dede, Ive just spent 20 minutes typing the reply to your post,pressed the wrong key and it disappeared 
So… again. Turduken. Never heard it called that but agreed the same,just depend what your taste in birds to stuff.
We also do a tray of various stuffing balls.Sage & Onions,Pork & Apricot and a few others,so one can eat the one you like. Your Greek one sounds good,lets have the recipe when it comes to hand. also a tray of Devils on horseback, Oysters wrapped in bacon Sausage meat in bacon rolls.Cranberry Sauce and if you have any room left on your plate. Roast Potatoes, Parsnips,Brussel Sprouts,Carrots & Peas. Baked Ham.
Loosen the toptwobuttons of your pants,and have at it.Brandy flamed Xmas Pud, with Custard,cream or brandy butter,Mince pies to follow…Oh and usually Indigestion 
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1:48 pm November 7, 2009
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I don't like the idea of "stuffing", so I make "dressing" outside of the bird. I use semolina bread, with leeks, onions, garlic and celery. Fry the veggies up in tons of butter (I am lucky enough to have access to farm butter), add a ton of freshly grated 'Regianno, moisten with cream and chicken stock, bind with eggs, …into a baking dish at 325 'till its done. For spices/herbs I use parsley, celery seed, salt, pepper. That's it. It sounds plain, but its really delicious, and a kind of flavorful-but-neutral back drop for the other dishes. Sometimes, if I'm feeling "Southwestern", I'll use cornbread and add roasted green chilis (from a can) to the dressing, but alway, always, celery, onions, and garlic.
For sweet potatoes, I candy them in a mixture of real maple syrup, brown sugar and butter. For spices I use Chipotle powder or Chipotles en adobo, paprika, black pepper and garlic. I bake them at 325, but I let them go for longer than alot of people do to bake more of the moisture out of them and to make sure that the potatoes are super-saturated with the spicey syrup. If I'm in a more traditional mood, I just use the maple syrup, brown sugar and butter (and salt and pepper).
For cranberries, I stew them in Ruby Port with cardomom and bay leaves, but this year I thinking of trying them stewed in Harvey's Bristol Cream sherry instead of the Port…just to try something new.
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2:11 pm November 7, 2009
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Thinking that I may be hard to find for a few days 'cause I'll be en route to Helen's to check out the menu she just posted!
Sounds utterly wonderful, Helen! And we need some recipes, or at least some general instructions posted over with the recipes!
(Pardon me while I go clean up from all that salivating just reading through that post!) 
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2:26 pm November 7, 2009
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Hi Pete , and thankyou for the wonderful complements !
I'll bop over to Just Recipes and see what I can do. The problem is…I rarely use recipes! I'm a kind of fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants cook, and tend to make decisions on the fly. Mainly I use recipes I find in magazines, etc. as a kind of springboard, or jumping-off point. I can't tell you how much maple syrup or pounds of sweet potates or how much brown sugar I use because I truely don't know! The only place I stick with a proper recipe is in baking cakes, etc., but even there, I will switch up spices and flavorings to suit myself. I also combine parts of different recipes with each other. Chocolate ganache can go on just about anything, right ? But I will go over to Just Recipes and take a wack at quantifying some of the dishes I posted in Roast Turkey.
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3:05 pm November 7, 2009
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Thanks, bunches and heaps, Helen! I can deal with some general proportions and most of the cooks around here can as well. You probably understand – we would at least like an idea whether you're talking about a bag of cranberries with a quart of port, or nearer to a generous splash!
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10:55 pm November 9, 2009
| Maud
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Toph, turducken is 'fowl'. Tee hee hee. That's essentially what you described in your post. I was offered once, years and years ago, a young camel stuffed with a sheep, stuffed with a turkey, stuffed with hen. It was a 'casheeturhen'. The whole mass of stuffed meats was served over couscous and was fouly inedible. At least to this Westerner's taste.
Stick with a plain turkey (feh) cooked slowly and well larded with butter and garlic. Let the cook baste it with more butter steeped with rosemary, yet keep the oven cool, 300F for 8 hours or more. Let the legs become as limber as a burlesque dancer's before contemplating serving. A thermometer registering 160 F in a thgh will do as a signal to readiness. Let your turkey rest quietly for 15 minutes or so, to recover her composure (and juiices). Then carve. The slower you cook your turkey, the tenderer and more flavorful she will be. I, personally, recommend Honeysuckle White as the brand to buy. This is a good dam turkey! The only brand that I can personally recommmend. Ever. Anywhere!
The best dressing is never cooked inside of a nasty, raw turkey belly. It is put to heat an hour or two before it is to be set on the table to be eaten.
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